Watergate, Tyler Sheridan's New Old West, Katy Tur

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We don't really know all there is to know about Watergate is Robert Costa will show us 50 years later we all know Watergate scoring right well maybe not what is in the event we pretty profoundly misunderstand the adage that the cover-up is always worse than the crime. I think Ashley turns out not to be true in water Watergate.

There's more to the story coming up on Sunday morning the story of the American West is another oft told tale. It seems we just can't get enough of Lee Cowan this morning, catches up with Kevin Costner and the real-life cowboy behind the hit series Yellowstone is not easy to recruit one of the biggest stars in the world don't sign up for something like that while the world with this world, which is why Kevin Costner signed on to Yellowstone written by temperature genuine cowboy writes what you know. I've never taken a screenwriting class. I had never studied how to do it, no rules. The new voice of the American Western head on Sunday morning when I think of Katie Turner as a respected broadcast journalist and as you may know, the wife of our Tony to copal. In fact, for her broadcasting is a family affair as she'll tell our Tracy Smith using server is right at home in a helicopter. You might say. She grew up in the skies over Los Angeles, flying in her parents news chop really need and my parents were in the coolest people in the entire world. I couldn't get enough of them. But she says she ran into some real turbulence back on the ground later on Sunday morning and much more. Nancy Giles catches up with author, activist and educator Ebro next candy.

Serena also discovers the charming side of the television show evil, Georgia Sen. Atlanta Rev. Rafael Warnock shares thoughts on mixing politics and faith with John Dickerson story from Steve Hartman and more. This Sunday morning for 12 June 2022 will be back in a moment the Watergate break-in 50 years on, believe it or not some of its long-held secrets are just now coming to light. Here is Robert Costa Watergate is in the event that has been so well documented over the years, but it's one. We pretty profoundly misunderstand, journalist and historian Garrett Graff says 50 years on, we are still transfixed by Watergate. The story of Watergate is one of the great tragedies of America and the ads we are still piecing it together. What's so fascinating is that the two central questions of the burglary itself or still unsettled. We don't know who ordered the burglary and we don't really know what the burglars were up to that night.

He has put it all together in a new book appropriately called Watergate a new history published by Simon & Schuster Porter Paramount global which include CBS news adage that the cover-up is always worse than the crime. I think Ashley turns out not to be true in Watergate. It was Nixon's crimes that were quite terrible.

Myriad manifold ultimately 69 people were indicted or charged with crimes. Graff traces Watergate back to Richard Nixon's lifelong sense of grievance and paranoia Of the kick around Richard Nixon woke up every morning angry. He woke up every morning feeling under siege and she is someone assertive at every stage of his political career. Who chooses the will road Nixon's low road spawned a sprawling and unpredictable culture of criminality, but the president wasn't looped in the Watergate break-in. The funniest bit of the cover-up is that Nixon can't fathom why anyone would actually want to break into the Democratic Party offices and can't believe anyone would be that stupid.

And then there's the deeper story of Deep Throat was lionized by Hollywood tests in 2005. Former FBI associate director Mark felt stepped out of the shadows, but he had long denied he was Deep Throat, no, no I'm not, Deep Throat and say is that I wouldn't be ashamed to be Garrett. You're pretty tough on Deep Throat, he was a bureaucrat trying to succeed.

J Edgar Hoover at the FBI. This is not someone who is waking up in the morning trying to protect American democracy.

This is someone who wants a job that he didn't get. He's doing some sort of brutal backstabbing knife fighting off a succession politics.

It turns out that there are two moments were Mark felt nose very compelling evidence about the misdeeds of Richard Nixon, but he never bothers to tell anyone because he doesn't actually really care that much about Richard Nixon at all. Watergate was a slow boil episode grew steadily more sinister. No longer a caper for almost 2 years, many Americans and Nixon's allies mostly shrugged at the blockbuster reports from Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein and so many others we have concluded that a large secret fog was assembled in the Nixon campaign organization.

One of the things it's so hard to re-create and understand now looking back is there was no sense that the president could lied to the American people change. Garrett, things have changed, but Americans began to wake up to Watergate in 1973 when congressional hearings kicked off. Everyone seemed to be watching. I began by telling the president there was a cancer growing on the presidency but 80% of the country was watching this layout on television were now chatting as the January 6 committee begins its hearings is that level of attention even possible today. It's definitely not possible at this deal.

The average American household that summer watches almost a full week's worth of the hearings 30 to 40 hours of congressional hearings is just mind-boggling. The bombshell revelation Nixon had taped himself, but a failure where the ventilation of any listening devices in the Oval Office of the present ultimate irony of the Nixon tapes is that Nixon fought taping the White House was a terrible idea that his predecessors JFK and LBJ had taping systems and he pour out that taping system when he first came into office, but she secretly installs a new taping system in a hope to preserve his historical legacy and of course it certainly created a new historical legacy for it just wasn't the one that he fought fellow Republicans largely stood by Richard Nixon through much of it. My view is it wrong for the president to resign. It's wrong for them to be forced out of office, then in August 1974 smoking gun good evening, the Republican Party today gave up on Richard Nixon newly released White House tapes showed the president had obstructed justice. Each understand they in Congress have a role to hold the executive branch and check we have a good thorough discussion.

And so the thing that really stood out to me going back and looking at the story. 50 years later, is the way that the Republicans in Congress acted as members of the legislative branch first and only second as Republicans. Watergate would come up and not just Americans trust in government but Washington itself. You say Watergate turn Washington mean Watergate. I think does turn Washington mean because it in many ways exposes this sort of much more district crusts being antagonistic mindset that we now see appropriate so much of our politics.

What made the Trump years different than the Nixon years.

Two things Fox news and members of Congress who acted as Republicans first and members of Congress, second. That's it. That's it unconstitutional.

Impeachment charade show. I think if you had Fox News in the 1970s.

Richard Nixon would've stepped down from office in January 1977 totally unscathed. There were a few Republicans who stood up to Trump after January 6. That was a short list it's a short list and it's gotten shorter. Ever since the so-called super gate inquiry. We are still living with Watergate deflate gate pizza gate scandal after scandal that is being called. I'm sorry sharpie get blood Garrett Graff insists that ultimately Watergate is a tale of checks and balances, and of how the American system can endure.

I think of the end of the day. Watergate is a weirdly hopeful story because it shows what it takes to protect American democracy.

It takes a while. It's not necessarily an easy process to get there, but the system in Watergate worked Tuesday is Flag Day celebrating the Stars & Stripes. That's a Ross is one of many people threaded into our flag's history said she's the one who decided that stars should have five sides six, but many of the flags we flown cents have a different sort of heritage. When Americans first arrived at the North and South poles it waived.

When the first American reached the top of Mount Everest and we've seen our flag go where no flag has gone before. When the limestone planted the Stars & Stripes is certainly a symbol behind every piece of law is often someone selling 175 years and and company has given us miles and miles of red and white stripes along with oceans of blue and enough stars to fill a galaxy. They are the nation's oldest and largest maker starting out his ship outfitters in New York, the family business changed course and focused solely on making flags full-time in 1847 it was and company that provided the flags for Pres. Lincoln's funeral by their account. It was there flag raised in Iwo Jima in World War II immortalized in the famous photograph and on ground zero on the day of 9/11, when firefighters make sure our flag was still there Hang around here very long. Your head around. Charles Kuralt paid a visit to a plant back in 1979 when the company was just a little over 130 years old stars and stripes forever, for the most part flags are still made the old-fashioned way companies continue plan you need human and given the backlog of orders because of the pain might say flags are flying out the door.

So next time you spot the red white and blue is a good chance you and either way it's always with us is gone from the pulpit to the realm of politics and made history as George's first black senator John Dickerson has questions for Rev. Rafael Warnock, Rafael Warnock might have two job titles you would like to be you but spend enough time with him and you'll see a lot of overlap between the preacher and the politician so some of this with the difference between a political speech is over me. I don't know there's much difference.

Medicare is a law of the land.

Senator Warnock made history last year when he became the first African-American elected to the U.S. Senate from Georgia state that had two segregationist senators when he was born in 1968 Rev. Warnock's other job title is senior pastor at Ebenezer Baptist Church, the storied Atlanta congregation where John Lewis worshiped and where both Martin Luther King Senior and Junior were pastors. I'm not in love with politics. Below we change politics is certainly a tool I got involved in something as messy as politics with the whole that I could continue to work on the issues that I worked on anyway.

Warnock and fellow Georgia Democrat John on software elected to the Senate in a runoff election last year, giving Democrats, 50 votes in control of the Senate when Joe Biden became president.

Whether or not Democrats can hold onto that majority this November will once again rest in large part on what happens in Georgia where Warnock faces a tough reelection fight in a race. Republicans hope will be defined by Joe Biden's low approval rating to escape from the gloomy national environment. Warnock, like all Democrats will have to distinguish himself.

It helps to have a good biography something the senator is highlighting in his new memoir, a way out of no way any time you walk into a sanctuary like this only Sunday morning at some point. There's a good chance that the preacher or somebody in the choir somebody was giving a testimony is going to say God makes a way out of no way.

And it's the kind of faith in the black church morning stroke the recognition. First of all that sometimes we find ourselves in impossible situations to keep pushing to keep pressing even as You Make Your Way, God makes a way out of no way. Warnock, the son of pastors was raised in public housing in Savannah, Georgia.

His mother once picked cotton. His father, who earned money collecting people's junk is a frequent subject of Warnock's stump speech on 6 o'clock.

Didn't matter what.

It was a school day or week. Get up, get dressed so that was his sermon every morning.

What that means you then it was mean you now.

I think it's a sense of readiness of I don't know exactly what the day is going to bring but somehow I'm going to make a way out of no way. Like Martin Luther King, Warnock graduated from Morehouse College.

He became pastor at King's former church in 2005. Warnock invokes his hero often on the campaign trail senator from Georgia and on the Senate floor.

Dr. King's words are as true now as they were back then, but this fall that might not be enough to counter headwinds for Democrats like rising crime and high inflation. Warnock will face off against Republican Herschel Walker. I Warnock plain simple legendary former football star who won a national championship and the Heisman Trophy. While playing for the University of Georgia in the 1980s has been endorsed by Donald Trump O'Donnell 1237 years and I don't mean just Ran into him from time to time have ever met Herschel Walker. I have not. He says you're running on separation to response to. I think that the people of Georgia have a real choice in front of them about who's ready to represent them in the United States Senate, not just here in the Senate did, I think I could fix Washington. Of course you're saying I'm not a magician, is that the difference between what you saying campaign and the reality of governing. I was clear about the reality of governing what I read, because I been engaged in the work of change, long before I got involved in politics. His heart is slow but you keep moving. Warnock stresses the rewards of passing the infrastructure bill and bringing down the cost of insulin and expanding Medicaid where Democrats might feel frustration.

He takes a historical view about the nature of progress is another issue that people care a lot about his voting rights you in particular. Great deal about voting rights wire in Washington to improve the situation hasn't improved.

Well about that. I wouldn't say that legislation has not passed fix the problem. The people of Georgia did an amazing thing. The state of Georgia stood up and in one fell swoop, sent its first African-American Sen. and his first you were sent to the United States Senate continued for now. Sen. Rev. Rafael Warnock's toughest job politically might be a lot like his toughest job as pastor trying to convince George that there is a God and to have hope in things unseen or to convince people that they should trust that the political process will someday deliver a result that they want.

I just keep doing the work.

I think we all have to get up every morning and do our work. Put shoes on as my dad used to say take out with preacher Garrett this week.

Stephen law ally of Mitch McConnell in one of Washington's biggest midterm moneyman list for me to Senate races you think Republicans have the best chance of taking a democratic seed with Nevada not Georgia.

Georgia is right up there with New Hampshire's surprise, New Hampshire people really just kind of don't like that you have for more from this week's conversation, follow the take out with major Garrett on Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. This is intelligence matters with former acting Dir. of the CIA.

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In some cases even survived to start 1/3 season on television. Serena also is talking with the cast and creators of Paramount's evil suburban homes can be just as scary as mansions and even more so because they're so normal-looking. Robert and Michelle King are pretty normal-looking to where you would never expect the minster and yet the creators of evil, where the devil is in a lot are in the details and the Monday and the monstrous never far apart on for you and you are kind of a mini microcosm for the ideas that are fleshed out in the shallow end you are about Catholic right and you are agnostic and you wish the secular Jew and the churchgoing Catholic has been disagreeing about the roots of evil ever since they met for 30 years and have conversations similar to this. Where does evil come from, why people do bad things is it psychologically or is there some supernatural element that makes people do bad things does this person need and exorcist, or is it mental illness or what, what could account for. They succumb to Eve. The Kings created very good show good life spinoff site what it evil offer you that the good wife and that fight that I was in the fight was always coloring between the lines and this is fingerpainting.

The restrictions aren't as large if you can just have a massive demon be a therapist. Season three of what's been called the funny version of the exorcist start streaming tonight on Paramount class which is owned by the same parent company, CBS, and lest you think were biased views for evil are uniformly good. How would you describe evil a feminist X-Files meets Ghostbusters with like really sexy people.

No doubt meet the heroes of evil. I work with Catholic Church Mike Coulter plays David Acosta, a priest in training by calling been hired by the church to investigate and explain phenomenon and to recommend whether this should be an exorcism for further research harbors. Kristin Bouchard skeptical psychologist for my daughters. Here is how it works. Since Monday is been sick here tech wizard intent on revealing the science behind the spooky. There's an explanation for everything. People would rather believe in ghosts that's what I think Rob and Michelle do so well is that they can write incredibly intelligent stories and then insert like absurdity and humor. George George we know we've had to say no. Don't worry, it wasn't. We were out for an Americana version of the demonic wasn't Bell's above motion monogamy know some Latin word George there's Abby Michael Ewing, Michael Emerson's Leland Townsend is one character you will love to hate the villains that that's where it's just fun in season three, Leland Townsend appears to get his comeuppance Mr. Townsend has approached my daughter at school on four separate occasions that that is a misinterpretation. I guess it's a good thing that the Catholic Church is no issues with older men touching children.

The Kings are quick to say they are not bashing Catholicism itself.

So many procedurals on television want to be critical of the Catholic Church. I mean it's it's a clich� it's a trope and I wasn't interested in doing that because even though the show delves into the these scandals. There's also the sense of Mike Coulter, who usually think of as a superhero is becoming a priest walls the Kings and the cast called it a wrap just last month, so beware more evil is on the way she is an award-winning journalist. Her parents are legendary broadcasters in their own right.

Katie terror shares her surprising family story without Tracy Smith if you want to see everything in Los Angeles can't beat the view from the helicopter 90 chopper pilot Bob Turk and wife Marika Gerard side all on any given story for local CBS stations would typically be first over the scene and Marika would lean out the open door with her camera to capture the story and at times history there with a 92 LA right the O.J. Simpson car chase would appear that the bronco will continue north on the 405 freeway and pastor fees. They started the Los Angeles news service and when they started a family here. Later James.

They brought about in the sky.

Growing up your mom and dad. They were the coolest people in the world helicopter. I got to go up in a helicopter I knew how to fly a helicopter. It was really unique and interesting childhood that nobody else had Katie terror. We know Katie terror as an MSNBC anchor or as a mother of two married to our own Tony to copal paper that will only allow president might recall her locking horns with then presidential candidate Donald Trump on the campaign trail, but in the 1980s was just a cute little kid with a seat on the wildest ride in town. In the documentary were earlybird. You can hear her describing a crash scene images while I was in a front rest literally in the helicopter feeling the flame on my shin.

You could feel that he could feel it that closely held 456789 interlaced book rough draft from an imprint of Simon & Schuster division of CBS's parent company Katie Turner describes her parents as broadcast pioneers who often put themselves in harms way. Katie's mom Marika that I think this is ridiculous that the both of us were up in the air doing this dangerous definite it was going to happen if something happens to both of us. But at the time is too much excitement too much fun it really was. It was exciting. Was fun but the fun was often fleeting Katie terror says her dad could be demanding abusive and at times violent.

He would come home in these fits of anger, something would set them off and he would get so so out of control that he would throw his fist through a wall and happened often when we would go to the store by plaster, plaster them up. I remember him throwing batteries at my mother. The violence was always there.

It felt like it was normal and that was just how our relationship works got angry got violent, you yelled and screamed but over time she says the situation got worse and the reason we didn't call the cops was because Bob turned his name in a police blotter means Bob Turk can't make any more money and oh my God, we need to buy groceries]. That's why Going. That's why because there's always somebody who forgives the person, or hides it up and send it who actually benefits from that.

Nobody is it's not your fault that's all it is a lot of wrap last week terror on her first helicopter ride in more than 20 years, something chopper in flight.

Never change and some change has been dramatic in 2013, her father called her with news that came as a bit of a shock. My dad said I am a woman and I said what and my dad said I'm a woman I'm transitioning I'm gonna become a woman and I member being at first puzzled saying you gotta be joking getting me talking about and that is that I'm I am the wrong person I'm become the right person. Don't you see this is why I've been so angry and it was really just thought it was a lot. Now I'm here with my books.

So we turn now lives in Northern California. Katie and I were very close. She really looked up to me and I fielder, no father wants to fail their daughter, let me tell you what she says he did when she was younger she says she gets so angry that you punch holes in the wall through things like batteries at Marika is not true. Throwing batteries probably punching walls. There were a couple is in the news business and we were under extraordinary pressure. I could be very intimidating for sure and if the kids thought I was intimidating I apologize. I did the best I could. Terror says they have each other in 10 years, and while they have different takes on why they're estranged it's clear there's still love their I'm not hiding anymore, and if it takes an active public humiliation in front of a camera to make Katie feel better and feel vindicated, so be on happy happy to do that I love her that much.

Peter knows that looking down can be both scary, exhilarating same is true so it's understandable and commendable facing your past.

Why put it on the public. It's a really good story.

My parents did amazing things went from nothing to something big and important one at read that story I want that story to be down my kids to know this one thing to know my parents the way that I knew my parents even if they never end up meeting a grandfather and part of the story is the violence a fight only wrote the good stuff. It would've been a lie for the business.

We are not so slight you're supposed to tell the truth and this is the truth this morning. Our Steve Hartman is in the booth, 11-year-old Ellie Doughty of Amherst, Virginia each sleeps talks to her local junior roast practices big-league broadcasting from her with blocking skills but she didn't know girls could do this as a career until she listened to a Baltimore Orioles. I thought possible. Ellie's proof possible, his play-by-play announcer Melody Ellie was so taken by the last year she reached out to Melanie and the only way she knew how all that is Q side.

Read the ability knew the help of the booth and the answer is yes right Ellie, are you ready to call I write this past week. Melanie invited Ellie to call part of it. Does Melanie assume with the girl what was part when Ellie held up that side.

She didn't just want to help Melanie. She wanted to help Melanie person and girls are looking to her because when going up now only men can do that. It's true that even today, so men are still hurling sexist barbs at Melanie on social media there to deflect them with their single ply posterboard stands. Ellie Doughty returned with a new sign that read Melody Newman is higher.

What does it feel like to see that it really takes you back for a minute and here's where we saw just how much Melanie appreciates the support paid a lot of dues to get here little girl five. There are so much less in sports.

People are always clawing their way to the top, but the true heroes Betty are the ones who lift others timewise. Westerns were a staple of television, Lee Cowan is here to tell us there's a new sheriff in town, along with a very different tale from out of the West, not far from Montana's Bitterroot River the postcard for the American West Kevin Costner stoking five close you make everything a little the last five years.

This valley has been his campsite from modern-day Western it's taken off like a wild mustang Yellowstone the paramount production. Our parent company was the most-watched scripted series old television asked us to take more business to show his sweeping is the family. It depicts John Dutton a Montana rancher played by Costner is a man with one boot in the past and one reluctantly in the present America sure way. That's what John Dutton sees as his legacy. The only thing more important is loyalty terminated say like a lawsuit much simpler now on were little Violet were like little murder Inc. little bit. Yellowstone is a reminder that our notion of the American West is hardly as romantic as we sometimes like to believe the ranchers that came here on this land and they basically banded together and pushed out the native population, wandered on your land. Neither did wait until the government showed still beautiful, but it's very easy to forget the drama will things.

It will never recover from warmed up to know that we need to write any real sense of authority and few could do that like Yellowstone's cocreator and right. This is, if he looks and sounds the part of a horseman because he is one of writing and roping all day long but much beyond that ring today. My least favorite subject is muscle I say about everything I want to say why write a story. There's time to his language, directness that he carries to the set to run much of the democracy the words of the words he wasn't kidding. I don't tell people how to write and his writers go and called one of the most important Western storytellers in decades eight 1883 pioneer prequel, starring Faith Hill to grow SQL the upcoming 32, starring Harrison Ford and Helen Mirren.

It's ludicrous that I'm working with these people. It's it's fantastically what you won't find in any of his works are cowboy clich�'s easy to make a bad Westerns Costner making a good window. Sheridan's gift Western.

Specifically, they can look really dull. They can look obvious their heart and that's the problem it's like it's hard to make a restaurant you can relate to. Sheridan relates to it so well because he lives not one but two branches in Texas and actually provides most of the horses for his productions himself. All the horses for the most part in our business are terrible never broke that were safe, which is one of the reasons you don't Seattle and I didn't want to do that so I bought all the horses for the show and didn't find an actor good enough force to play a horse trader play the part thousand dollars just fell in the Holly first as a model later began to audition years got parts in shows like Veronica Morrison, Sons of Anarchy for you. I'm a cop actually bound by the law. But after more than two decades of trying never became a leading man To go in the world. I think stubbornness, a refusal to fail. An interesting thing about Hollywood is if you let it. If you listen, it will tell you exactly what you're supposed I have never seen anyone thing. They're having a soft 20 years make seem to take eight years of sin take 10 years, but I've never seen it take 20 is that where you would come to.

I well I had come to where what are the best I was ever to be was 10 pharmacology one day a friend brought him a project not to audition for to write us a look, I have no idea how to do this but I have a 15 year education on how not to do it first thing that I wrote was Mayor Kingstown. Set the first episode 10 hours in one night and when I was done I was 15 years ago. From then on he began writing at a furious pace came scripts for films like Shikari wind River and his Oscar-nominated screenplay hell or high water board. There will have bad drawing. The second screenplay he ever wrote his idea for the series. Yellowstone almost everyone in Hollywood doing TV West anytime.

Hollywood says a genre is dead is because they made a bunch of bad people think of Westerns and see the good guys and bad guys is really such a different show. It is much more complex, much more and much more appealing. Chris McCarthy paramount. Network president and CEO of MTV entertainment. Essentially, that the rate of intelligent 20 years and the very few times where my 18-year-old niece and my 80-year-old aunt asked me about the same show and you know this is one of those moments and when you see the entire world and get it. He is he mentally creates his own world in the TV series, he creates a wall for himself and he's unique that way. He writes what he knows absolutely and he writes incredibly well. Sheridan now has no fewer than 10 paramount series, either on the air works busy describe his life and that's just the Hollywood side he just became part owner of the historic 46 is ranch consisting of more than a corner of a million acres near Lubbock which financially begins better keep on writing hits. All I was about ready to retire and save them really good were we were my goals were turned 50 for something. I see that much Grasso of Ocala has a price through the roof was John Wayne. One said that nothing is so discouraging to an actor have to work for long hours upon hours brightly lighted Kevin Costner feels pretty much the same way the outdoor world of the West Taylor Sheridan has created is a place that no one really wants to leave like at the end of the day sitting come down here and hang out and I will I come down here sometimes let us all go home to stay here just because it has a cigarette here.

Those mountains don't feel the need to move.

Why should his writing has sparked debate inspired dialogue on race and racism.

Nancy Giles is in conversation with author and educator. Abram asked candy where one of the most historic spaces for black people in North America. We met E Brown asked candy along Boston's Black Heritage Trail abolitionists were gathering and things were they discussing they were discussing what was unheard of in the 19th century, which was a nation without slavery in the immediate emancipation of all enslaved people. The African meetinghouse is the oldest black church in the country, built in 1806 you had abolitionists saying to the American people. You can't expect to, and chattel slavery by doing nothing more you do nothing more. Slavery spreads harms tortures and in many ways that's what's happening right now we don't actively seek to be antiracist and racism will process in the sanctuary. Positive things happen. Candy is the founder of the Center for antiracist research at Boston University, where he is a history professor. Why is it not enough to not be a racist as opposed to being in antiracist think it's important for people to know the opposite of being racist� Candy has argued for being antiracist in a series of best-selling books. No one is inherently racist or antiracist.

It's about what were doing and so when were expressing that the ratios are equals one being antiracist when were supporting a policy that is leading to a racial disparity would being racist, encouraging people to constantly think about what we doing not doing big racist like Abraham candy his views have been polarizing to say the least. How to be antiracist's work was injected into the hearings for Supreme Court Justice Catania Brown Jackson antiracist baby by Abram candy courtesy of Sen. Ted Cruz one portion of the book says babies are taught to be racist or antiracist. There is no neutrality is dangerous to tell the truth. Today I would know as we learned in the last few years.

It is dangerous to people who are like oh slavery was over 200 years ago, why why are we going back to that things are level. Now it's a level playing field.

First, if it was a level playing field, they would not be all these racial disparities from health to wealth to education to incarceration or you think there is a level playing field and the reason why certain racial groups are less wealthy are more likely to be poor more likely to die are more likely to be incarcerated is because there's something inferior about them. I don't think that any racial is inferior or superior and what that means is there is a level playing and then the question becomes, why is there a level playing field and you can't answer that question without talking about the present history of this country and you can't talk about American history without talking about slavery candy has two new books coming out aimed at children and parents. One is a takeoff on the classic book good night Moon, whoever his six-year-old daughter and mommy recorded the audiobook with some coaching from dad's every child falls asleep.

It's not a coincidence that racist ideas have spread across time and across humanity.

The reason why the hat is simple, dark, ugly life is good.people are bad like people smart, very simple ideas even two or three or four-year-old can understand and studies are showing that even preschool children are choosing to play with. Based on skin, new books are being released is teaching about racism is under fire going down a dark path with some states passing laws to take books out of schools that might make students uncomfortable.

I think that arming our children with information is protective candy is married to Dr. Siddiqi, candy, a pediatric emergency room physician that applies in a constant arming them with understanding our history like a true account of our history, helping them to learn about racism about antiracism and with a money card.

Knowing this is what it is.

This is the work that your father is doing and unfortunately because of that there people who don't like him don't like our family. The book is garbage.

She's worsened embarrassingly stupid. It is when were crossing the street with our 20. We teach them ways. Make sure there's not a car, similarly we have to teach them that there is racist ideas that are coming back at hitch with his daughter for inspiration. Abram asked candy is looking to history and looking forward for generations to come. It happened this past we said goodbye to our longtime director and friend Nora Jerome every Sunday morning. You see the work of correspondence, reducers and editors behind each and every person, each and every story as the director person who brings it all to the person who makes a program show.

Nora has been that person sunny skies for 11 years now and answer virtuoso performance draws to a close, we send along applies and our heartfelt best wishes. Thank you for everything you, thank you for listening. Please join us when our trumpet sounds again next Sunday morning to bury my all my goodness, I want to tell you about our new shout to his knees and each episode Nina weekly gas and other quirky find inspiring and informative stories that exist on the wall because well maybe you do to the newest interior design trend Barbie car to the right and wrong way to wash her arm. Also getting the things that you just kind of will probably not able to do in daytime television. So watch out. Tristan is ever you get your podcast on the got