Carolina Journal Radio No. 917: Looking ahead to North Carolina’s 2022 Senate race

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Those topics are just ahead. But first, Donna Martinez joins us with the Carolina Journal headline will just when you thought that election season was over. Note the 2022 election season is already underway here in North Carolina.

The key federal race will all be watching is for the U.S. Senate that would be the seat now held by Republican Richard Berg, who is said that he plans to retire already with that one person who has thrown his hat into the ring for this seat. Rick Anderson is editor-in-chief of Carolina Journal by the way, is that the guy was thrown his hat into the ring in case you're wondering, no, no, no, he's reporting on that race.

He joins us now.

Rick welcome back. Thank you very much okay just confirm for us you're not in the race for the Senate, not to the best of my knowledge already, but we do have one person, one Republican who made a really slick effective video announcement that he wants to be in the Republican primary for that seat now before North Carolina Congressman Mark Walker tell us about that. Yes, Mark Walker chose not to run again for his seat in the sixth Congressional District. So he retired from Congress and then has announced that he's going to run in 2022 produced, as you say, very slick pipe high quality auto for production values in YouTube video to introduce himself to people. It was it was a striking video because it incorporated some number of people from some of whom are well-known everybody from former Gov. Mike Huckabee of Arkansas to some civil rights leaders to pastors who are who are well-known around North Carolina since the video was produced.

Sen. Tim Scott of South Carolina has endorsed Mark Wahlberg, but the message behind the video essentially is that he someone who will fight for Carolinians will get things done and he will build bridges and the that was certainly the tone of the video in which the heat he had the both discussing himself in and out of people who were there with them talking about what he had done to reach out to work with minority communities healthcare community without faith organizations alike, and his his actual resume in Congress is pretty aggressive as well. He had a reputation as being pretty close I think to Pres. Trump when she say I you speak distance himself from Pres. Trump. The nominee initially and then he embrace Pres. Trump his what was interesting for me about Mark Walker was the first fall. He was a surprise winner of the Republican primary. When he first ran in 2014. He was not really considered to be a serious candidate. Goldberger Junior, who will be soon sitting outside on the North Carolina Supreme Court was the front runner and by far were the favorite Mark Walker one pretty easily.

They do through grassroots efforts. Now when he got Congress. He immediately started make a name for himself in Republican circles.

He was named the head of the Republican study committee, which is the house Republican think tank.

If you will, and Capitol Hill. It was the place where a lot of future minority will or by a majority leaders and/or speakers so his decision not to run was a bit of a surprise, although he was basically redistricted out of his own district because it was a link in the crack friendly last round. But he somebody who has made a name for himself in Washington. He should have plenty of support and he also ventured to this early on so that he might try to nudge some other people to consider not running for the city exactly I get this to a couple of interesting names and for solid stop for a moment about another member of the Trump family and that would be the president, daughter-in-law Laura Trump who asked is from North Carolina and there's a bit of scuttlebutt in some of the national political publications that maybe she is thinking to try to get into this Republican primary. Anything to that only what we heard as far as speculation is concerned, it's fairly clear that the Trump family. Both his blood relatives and through marriage want to stay active in Republican politics as possible. Laura Trimble consider running as I say she would have, of course, name recognition over Mark Walker initially but Mark Walker would certainly have the resume of being an effective member of Congress of knowing Capitol Hill of being someone I think part of the part of the what the Republicans are doing is all. Looking back on the Trump presidency and and some of the members of Congress who seemed more interested in being on Fox news and actually legislating Mark Walker was someone who is comfortable being on Fox news but also comfortable legislating and so that may be a selling point that he offers over Laura truck who almost certainly would not have problems raising money, but now that you got both Mike Huckabee and Tim Scott. They are openly endorsing Mark Walker that may make some of the sorts of other people more hesitant to to endorse Laura Trump will seek speaking those endorsements and they are high profile. What would that mean for another name that's been bandied about and that is former North Carolina Gov. Patrick Cory seeking to jump into this race, he may he's been talking about it for some time and privately. He's been discussing it again he would be someone that would be a fascinating primary if it were a two or three way primary in that regard because you would have the person who was governor of North Carolina, who is remain very visible in four years since he's been governor fundraiser.

Fundraiser and someone who also has been against someone who's been a very effective member of Congress is well respected and Capitol Hill well respected by a number of different groups that you have the daughter-in-law of the former president of a net would again do you know the if the if the Tillis Cunningham Senate race Loyola fundraising records.

This would they do it all over again.

You brought up the name I wanted to talk about and that is a Democrat.

Cunningham, of course, lost his bid to unseat Republican US Sen. Tom Tillis.

Now there's have been some reporting in major publications, including a believe.

Actually I was saying that that to Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer is blaming Cunningham for the Democrats not being able to take over the United States Senate on election night. So what about Cal Cunningham any future there and what about the person that he actually defeated in the Democratic hi Mary to run against Tillis and that would be Erica Smith. Well, I think Cal Cunningham may again run for office at some point but now he's becoming the perennial ballot placeholder.

So it seems the Democrats and and is it's funny that Sen. Schumer would blame Cal Cunningham for losing the election because it was Chuck Schumer who basically had Cal Cunningham clearing feels of the Calcutta run in first place and so you shoot the messenger if you will let Erica Smith I will choose to run again. The name name that I'm hearing also is a State Sen. Jeff Jackson of Mecklenburg County who is someone who has been who's been posed as basically been very active on social media setting up himself as a moderate and is someone who would be an effective member of the Senate, so I made it. This is the Cunningham script all over again. But in this case, Jeff Jackson does have a strong legislative record run on and has been a very effective fundraiser for Democrats across the state.

So I think he would be someone who would be a formidable opponent to whoever runs either the Democratic Party or if you were with general election for this is a fascinating 2022 already starting up were talking about it and of course Carolina Journal reporting on these major races as well.

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There's thousands of municipalities.

There's well over a million trial on private lawyers that influences the litigation system. All of these different pieces of attacks of the partisan attacks on the deep state of the things and to stay away from that person view and just look at it more telescopic. We and thematically and look what the government's Jewish parts from a fundamental constitutional. What about the US Constitution. The Constitution clearly had its flaws in the beginning most most notably slavery the Constitution to renovating principles.

There was a notion of limiting the government to prevent abuse of this and those in the back to John Locke and the notion of having a publicly accountable government was in some ways active and could get things done, but was ultimately available to people in these presented democratic principles as well as limited government classical liberal principles both animated the constitutional design principles have been substantially eroded and it's hardly a surprise anyone to look at government Copeland reminded his audience how large the federal government has grown since its early days. The first Congress of total budget was only $639,000 from placements $10 million right now.

The Congress can't agree on the next level overly gap is between 1 trillion on the side and 3 trillion on the D side orders of magnitude more government than we had early early years. I will limited government types of think tank like John Locke is committed individual liberty and premarket personal responsibility questions and skeptical big government generally paid as much attention to is certainly not thematically holistically is the concept that we lost some of this public accountability. That's Jim Copeland the Manhattan Institute, discussing his new book the unelected Copeland says the growth of unaccountable government has affected his own areas of interest working on on things like litigation system administrator stated in regulation looking at criminalization government securities law. Things like this. They all come back to the simple where we see a lot of government being done a lot of liberty being lost from individuals acting without public accountability. In many cases we see significant radical shifts in the legal and regulatory structure that govern our lives without Congress are taking a vote of the people actually elected deciding to do so and so that's the principle thesis of the book Copeland identifies four different types of influential unelected government actors. Each of these forces matter, and we might reform. One of them and it would necessarily change as much as we might think I forgot cognizant of the fact that all these other players are similarly working to govern us without public accountability. As of the first of these call rule makers and this is really the fundamental function of Congress, all of us who grew up when I did the 70s 80s and 90s. Watched ABC Saturday morning and saw the cartoon shows the Schoolhouse Rock for my favorites was I'm just a Bill I'm just a Bill is a legal center on Capitol Hill and still describes how a bill becomes law, but this is a lot of the way rules actually get enacted.

So in the criminal law spirit. For instance know for sure how many federal crimes. There are two voluminous risk you know the estimate is around 300,000 federal crimes exist on those 98% payment of being without an express enactment by Congress. Congress did was create a make agency somewhere in the executive branch and they drafted the rules and Congress never saw the rules again and repeat go to prison to get in trouble is a charger from the principle espoused by Locke, among others, that that animated the Constitution that the lawmakers had to make laws they couldn't delegate the lawmaking and make new lawmakers but that's in fact gone beyond the rule makers are the enforcers we make it hard to actually create new rules that are paying attention to enforcement actions from the executive branch, then we can get something that's in some ways more lawless than just regulatory rulemaking itself, and that is for this ad hoc government by the threat of force, and so I documented from big businesses. I compared to the Godfather. This is an offer you can't refuse. If your business dealing with the federal government. Often they have your business totally under their control of the following perspective. If you are a military contractor. Obviously, the federal government says you can't sell the motor anymore then you out of business in the federal government says you can get reimbursed Medicare and Medicaid anymore.

You can't do business.

If your financial company in the list is up, you lose your license to practice financial markets throughout business and so really the strong arm of the federal government is often coming in the play. The problem extends beyond big business. If you're a small business owner without a team of lawyers at your disposal. How are you supposed to comply with 300,000 federal regulatory crimes.

There's just no way this also happens very much on the state level. Copeland's third group litigators who take people to court. A lot of folks I think reflexively were skeptical of government power libertarian oriented folks.

Classical liberals say this is what the administrator state. Sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't. Stay still. State action so it is. It is no money, is a defendant in court by choice, some as a defendant in court because another person's over. The final group on Copeland's list. The new anti-Federalist also superseded with this new anti-federalism are these elected officials, but their local or state elected officials basically dictating policy for everyone else. So the mayor of New York, coming out and trying to change climate change policy which is clearly an international question with a federal nexus, but trying to do it from from the City Hall in New York just so we see the sorts of cases we saw this with the tobacco lawsuits for the first where the litigation gets farmed out to plaintiffs attorneys on behalf of the state attorneys general, who often delicate and contribution flyers. They turn around and higher and so we see this national policy being by state and local officials. The book is titled the unelected the author is Jim Copeland, Dir. of legal policy at the Manhattan Institute. He spoke recently for the John Locke foundation will return with more Carolina journal radio in a moment. If you have freedom we got great news to share with you now. You can find the latest news, views, and research from conservative groups across North Carolina all in one place North Carolina conservative.com it's one stop shopping. North Carolina's freedom movement and North Carolina conservative.com.

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Her ability simply to to remain cool, calm and collected in face of some of the inane questions that she was getting from the Democrats on the panel alone in my mind qualify her for the court, but I think that once she's on the court to see a couple of things happen. First, she is going to represent a significant ideological shift on the court and one of the most important aspects of that is that Chief Justice Roberts is no longer going to be a significant swing vote in in many of these cases, that he was in the last couple of terms since Justice Kennedy retired so I think that's going to be important, even if Justice Roberts votes with the three left-leaning members of the court there still going to be a 54 more conservative right wing, right right left-leaning majority on the court and the other thing I think were going to have to wait and see is that perhaps the backlash to her appointment to the court may end up in the Democrats doing the unthinkable.

And that is expanding the number of justices on the court. Wallace noted the political nature of US Supreme Court confirmation hearings. These hearings are politicized because the court is been so politicized to me that shows that if you want to see how political record is just these hearings are exhibited day but what's what's happening here is that it is gone way beyond this order resume type qualifications into qualifications with respect to views and that is because the political left has if they can't win elections.

They can't get their policies enacted by statute, by the legislature than they have turned to the courts to get their policies enacted by the courts. That's why these justices who goes to the court is so important because it depends on what kind of views are going to prevail at the court now look the Senators can vote for or against the nominee for any reason whatsoever, the Constitution simply says there to give advice and consent but but that's where we are right now that's Campbell Law school professor Greg Wallace discussing Justice Amy Koning Barrett's confirmation to the US Supreme Court. Wallace addressed the threat that a Democratic Congress might pack the Supreme Court in the future.

One of the funniest things that I thought is characterized the last few weeks is the Democrats attempt to say that pushing through judge Barrett's confirmation is itself court packing that is butchering that term how it's used historically course you know that's that's solely for political purposes. They were doing that, but court packing obviously means adding seeds to the Supreme Court.

We've had the Constitution does not specify the number of seats that the Supreme Court is to have and so that's simply a matter of statute and if the Democrats could get control of the Senate as well as keep control of the house and win the presidency, then I think that's a very distinct possibility to counterbalance the appointment of Judge Barrett to the Supreme Court. They do several high-ranking Democrats have talked about it.

Chuck Schumer has said this in Senate Minority Leader who said nothing is off the table, but I would go back to the words of both Justice Ginsburg, who thought it was a bad idea and would result in greater politicization of the court and Joe Biden back in 18 1983 indicated that FDR's attempt to pack the court back in the in the 1930s was a boneheaded idea, so I don't know. Hopefully, cooler minds will prevail and we won't see that over politicization of the court. Wallace addressed one of the key problems with lawsuits that had to the nation's highest court. Many of these lawsuits are in federal court are collusive lawsuits and that the parties are not aligned in an adversarial relationship which is the essence of the case or controversy requirement for these cases to be justiciable in federal court.

I would argue that there is no adversarial posture here that all of these interest across the board for plaintiffs and defendants are the same. They want all want the same thing. What about a justices approach to cases. Can he or she set political biases aside, Wallace has some thoughts every judicial candidate or appointed judge brings to their seat. A certain set of political views, biases, worldviews, if you will. And it's it's good, 90, 95% of the cases it's going to be based on fact and law. But when judges do make law either by interpreting constitutional or statutory provisions that are somewhat ambiguous or by engaging in their common law judging at the state level.

I think people ought to know what kind of laws judges are going to make before they vote for them. The best judges are those who recognize that they have a that they have views and they they make an extra effort not to just jump to those views as the determinative of the outcome.

I think you see, this was some of the Republican appointees on the United States Supreme Court. It's it's it's not always easy to predict how the Republican appointees and we seem Justice corsets go with the interpretation of title VII and the Boston case. We seemed Chief Justice Roberts go back and forth we saw O'Connor and Kennedy do the same thing. It's interesting that the Republican appointees seem to do a much better job about keeping an open mind about things. Then the Democrat appointees I can tell you if can predict with almost 99% certainty how about the liberal wing of the court is going to vote in any particular case and that's because they vote in lockstep and they vote based on their their policy views.

It's very rare to see a liberal justice peel off inside with conservatives on on on issues where there's this this liberal conservative split. It's not so rare in the other direction, so I think judges need to be aware that I think they are. I think how hard they tried to to address.

That is something I also think the method of and if interpreting statutes, and constitutional provisions is a very important thing and that's why I think judges and justices who embrace of ritualism have at least arguably a greater check on their constitutional decision-making than the liberal justices who do see that the meaning of the Constitution. Sort of like an empty glass that you can fill up with whatever you want.

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We are the John Locke foundation, Carolina journal radio and Donna Martinez January North Carolinians will once again be represented by a Democrat governor Roy Cooper and a Republican majority in the North Carolina Gen. assembly now past history is any indication, it could get pretty interesting. The relationship between the general assembly and the governor as we go forward in terms of budgeting all sorts of key public policy issues people is following all this very closely as our own Becky great. She is senior vice president with the John Mott foundation she joins is now back to show. Thank you, always a pleasure. What are you expecting for the dynamic between the Republicans and Democrat governor, we may see very much what was on the past and that's that the general assembly moving forward with their priorities. The governor detailing things that did not fit his priority. Whether it was Medicaid expansion which the general simile was not going today or teacher pay increases with the which the general assembly didn't do that the gutter didn't feel like it was enough on it was also an election year.

This last budget cycle that we went through so you know what this is going to look like in a course on think this can impact everything is passed last night minds is the pandemic husband impacts that we sang with high unemployment, with the impact it's had on businesses with the devastating effect that it had enter on our economy, which of course increases the need for government services to people that been out of work three nights on their minds. For businesses that are going out of business, through no fault of their own and then the impact on so this thing plays out.

I think that's going to be the major story in the major driver three dance. I hope that the governor will not get stuck on his priority issues and government the works out and provide barriers for North Carolina's economy to recover for people to get back to work for them to become less dependent on government and able to take care of themselves and their families playing out the covert impact are you anticipating that there might be requests for additional spending or federal dollars more dollars potentially flowing into our state banks actually what were saying from Congress, as it does look like that will pack some sort of coded package that I'm guessing will be applicable for the new year.

In the past, the package that we had that money has to be spent by the end of the year, or it reverts back to the federal government with a new package from Congress incorporate watching very closely economy that the federal government. But what that looks like for North Carolina. We hope to continue to not be rushed for the very good fiscal decisions that we make here North Carolina with a robust economy with putting money in savings with really watching the debt that we go into.

Unlike other states that have been quite frankly not make good decisions that North Carolina has to having that we have some flexibility with money coming from the federal government to meet North Carolina's unique names as we made three desk now we are going to say some I think additional pressure some additional request for spending one of the big issues I'm saying and sing it more and more brought up in conversations is the need for broadband and broadband access across North Carolina and that has weekly so that the pandemic can't but with the challenges that the code that 19 has brought with schools being shut down with online learning what were saying from Madison and is learning the loss now with their stage, there's talk of many students failing needing to repeat a grade. How are we going to do � how are we going to make sure that many of today's students in half the resources that a Nate and many of them delivered over the Internet. Processing the big increase in town and people using that to receive healthcare checkups different health needs that they half and then of course you have as many of us us today at the Locke foundation working from home and as people continue to try to do that they are depending more on broadband and then it goes into economic development and economic growth in different parts of the state is not good broadband access our business is going to be interested in moving to North Carolina or expanding North Carolina something broadband is to be one of the major issues. A lot of it is additional funding may come from the government made a statement like everything we talked about it � and it's not necessarily how much money it's how that money is and it spent wisely and prudently and with not just short-term goals, and in fact but the long-term goals and how to get North Carolina through this. I think that's going to be one of issues that will save broadband. I think it's fascinating. A lot of ways because you have very eloquently laid out the challenge of everyone from a child trying to access their their schooling in their homework to people working from home to business and industry really relying on that connection but it also allows us to have a very important discussion about exactly how do we make sure that people have access their Sammartino who believe that that means government should step in to ensure that others believe that private enterprise should step in to do that is that the kind of conversation you're gonna be talking with lawmakers about absolutely silly things. Often it's not an either or its hand and its finding that proper balance of where is the best investment that taxpayers may make in this endeavor and what can we put out to the private market to fill in those Nate and so I think it's not good to be an either/or. It's going to be and so even as we may follow the lesson and that's very much the role that we play at the Locke foundation is going in and evaluating those things through the filter of private markets, individual markets, free markets are what really drives the innovation that often it is a core function of government to support this kind of thing say that that's a great thank you to be a big part of the discussion.

It's also part of the world we play, you mentioned telehealth as she talked about how people are are accessing medical care these days as the innovation of the global connection really takes over that gets us to question about how we actually make sure that every North Carolina does have access to affordable health insurance and thus affordable and quality medical care.

The governor and the legislature disagree about how to go about that again lesson from the pandemic and if we got silver linings it smoothly saying that his work through this pandemic things that that the government had to do is I had to weigh some of the certificate of need regulations in order to ensure that there were dams available to treat coded patients if that was needed. Well it worked pretty well.

We haven't seen the dire circumstances that some people predict. If you eliminate certificate make something that's a discussion it's very, very right wing.

They didn't ask this notion of wellness and managed care and incorporating all the different parts of your health, which is part of the Medicaid transition and something that were saying in healthcare. So if you're able to confer with your suffering with substance abuse, and you're able to talk to your therapist over the computer. If you're able to monitor your medications unit is also for people with ongoing health concerns diabetes and things like that they can monitor this over the computer without having to go into a doctor's office and the crust as they scanned it with that as well options out there that we've been talking about for years at one foundation.

I think the time the window was wide and the time is right to really weekly been able to see through this pandemic. How many of these ideas actually were at the program this week on behalf of Donna Martinez joined us again next week. Related journal radio is a program of the John Locke to learn more about the John Locke foundation including donation support programs like Carolina journal radio send email to development John Locke done call 66 jail left 166-553-4636 Carolina journal radio is the John line foundation, Carolina free-market think tank and Carolina broadcasting system, Inc. all opinions expressed on this program are solely those did not merely reflect the station formation about the show. Other programs and services of the John line foundation John Locke toll-free at 866 JM would like to thank our wonderful radio affiliates across Carolina and our sponsors.

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