Producers' Pick | Steve Harrigan: War Correspondent on Why The War in Ukraine is Different

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Steve Harrigan sought up close and personal.

Before, after, I just recently got out.

Steve glad you're okay what what do you think from afar about this war and how we covering it. It's hard to shake it, Brian. It's hard to shake the sadness of it. Pictures keep coming in and civilians are getting killed. We know it personally now. We lost two of our own and in one injured. So I think were really feeling the pain and the sadness even for safe over here in the US. It's just agony watching civilians old people get hit by the Russians purposely when we do it there's an accident investigation.

People were fired vilified trials here. It's intention it seems Steve it's deliberate, it's terror, it's trying to crush them with very crude weapons to kill civilians and military life. It's the you know were just watching it day after day. This is week three now you think I love what you can tell us even about how Benjamin Hall and his crew of Pierre and Sasha with a targeted I don't know the details, but you know key areas. You know I dreamed about last night I was with them in a lot of different places out with peers Jack in Ukraine, Congo, Libya, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Venezuela.

He was the best sometimes around people and they're better than you and I might bother you, but the way he had with people in his kindness he was better than me. I just like to watch him in action. Susie was a cameraman but he was also a producer. He knew how to handle a tumultuous situations had a great way about.

He did everything he was running the show over there with fixtures with money with hotel logistics and he was careful and he was not up a cowboy. He'd been in so many bad places and he's the guy you want to be with because he's calm, he's compassionate, he's orderly, I mean the guy was a force in the it's it's a real blow. I really feel this personally, like so many people today absolutely and Benjamin Hall.

I hear that he's stable right now they've managed to get them out of the country. I saw him before he went in I came out and he was going in that security you know today trying to scare you to begin your working so yeah he knew what he was going into.

I spoke to me had no doubts about what he was going to their people who work at this company who are willing to put their life on the line. A lot of them to try to do the story and she had no doubts about what he was doing and I looked at him and just plug well there goes you know this is a brave guy knows what he wants to do was also interesting. I never thought about it, really, to this this news came out.

The strategies came out as it embedded not with the American forces. United also embedded with the one this was more powerful your embedded with Ukrainian sometime civilians in a hotel hardly a bastion of security who was out like not being guarded by American troops. You know it's easy to think about how it's a war zone. Like other war zones. This is a war zone. It's different than other war zones because first of all when it comes to power. You're on the wrong side you're on the side without fear. You know if you can embed. You want to be on the side with airpower so you don't get bogged but on the other hand, the stronger side in this the Russians are indiscriminate. Not only do they have sophisticated weapons, but they are targeting civilians and they are creating terror. The other factor about the scores on the mix of different is it all kinds of people are being armed, there's basically been a call from the Ukrainian government come over here from any country working on you Russians doing the same. So there's the chance of a mishap.

The chance of an accident. The chance of someone nervous without discipline. Just firing away at you in a softshell vehicle is astronomically higher in this kind of a war zone – Fox News contributor transom.com daily newsletter inviting you to join a conversation every week is to bend on its podcast listen no Fox News like test.com so right now where was he reports a mini counteroffensive by the Ukrainians.

They have not lost one major city SRT your son and I hear this and protest in that city. Even today, so the Russians answer is just try to flatten everything is ties time on either side side. I think you're right that the strategy now is just to flatten it as the world watches and behavior of Ukrainian forces military and civilian has been remarkable. You know were putting US others are putting the weapons in their hands. These javelin your antitank missiles again be fired by one person, but it takes the courage of that one person to go up against the tank at fairly close range and they are doing it so they are holding off no major cities really other than where you mention have been taken is three weeks now. They haven't taken Ukraine the timeline for Russia. Their economy has been hurt, but Gruden is not in my view, having seen him flatten other cities. He's not, stop until Ukraine is flattened, but he is seems to be in.

I get them susceptible to reports he seems to be running out of troops running at armament.

If that is true about China asking for money and arms that shows a desperation. The fact is asking Syrians maybe has a lot to come back and help them back. You chose desperation, I think you know this April 1 is his conscription day. That's a lot of people no longer have to serve after their year and a whole bunch other side up and go to war there might be a chance in Russian. These guys not to show up. I think both sides are racing against the clock. I think Ukraine is racing just to survive hold out basements and to defend especially their capital and they been heroic in doing that Russia is facing different problems. Men and manpower pressure from people in economic pressure a lot of people over there. The middle class has lost a ton of money and people are fleeing the country, so you know it's really both sides are up against the clock in which side has the endurance to hold out the one factor I think it is a stable factor that you can't bet against his Gruden is going to keep going. Who doesn't care about civilian casualties who wants to crush Ukraine. He wants to crush that capital that's a factor that I believe is unchanging changes besides losing ground right right if people rise up against him in the cities. The middle class rises up against him and protest. If the mothers of dead soldiers rise up against them it but that's a longer-term issue. I think I think you know another three weeks another two months. She can continue to pound away and kill civilians right and see if he pays a price to visit you see some of these numbers, the US is saying these laws, 7000 people there.

Ukraine is a 13,500. So that's pretty significant use would use his remarks yesterday as translated cut one know people and even more so the Russian people will always be able to distinguish true patriots from scum and traders and simply spit them out like a fly that accidentally flew into the mouth about.

I'm convinced that such a natural and necessary cleansing of society will only strengthen our country is angry using starlike terms about cleansing and cheese also seems we talk about the domestics issued a situation right and it is this is scary talk is been a lot of talk about Nazis in this war a lot of accusations from the Russian side Ukrainians you have a past history supporting the Nazis. If anyone is talking like a Nazi today if anyone is talking like Hitler today. It's what I deem it prudent. He's talking about purification and cleansing of the Russian people. That's gotta scare the entire world series Keith Kellogg about what you just said leveling the cities and how it's just not good strategy. Cut 18. He is creating generational hatred.

What is doing right now and if I had to write a book on this campaign right now and title it. It would be for Scott Murray stupid is as stupid does Shelley know cities are just actually stupid right answers. One is clearing rubble and you never want to fight in rubble. I cities is getting absolute hatred of Ukrainian people and it just makes no sense to me. He's pocketed to cave. It's a huge city is a 2000-year-old city and there not to give up the just want to quit.

I'm I think it's reach a point right now if this was a prize fight sloughs on points you.

I challenge money those points, you know I write on a lot of he knows more than I do is right on generational hatred rubble. A much smaller example is about 1/40 the size was Chechnya where he ruffled the city of grosbeak 400,000 not 3 million. But 20 years later you have to ask yourself did this brutal strategy of slaughter in rubble work in Chechnya war is over. He's in control he's got a strong man in place on a minor scale without help from Europe or the West or the US it work in Chechnya.

I believe that he thinks it can work again in Ukraine surprised on a level on how inefficient and being kind is his military has been. I think he surprised unnerved unhinged and furious. He's resting some his own top generals for their behavior. This is what happens when you have yes-men around you for 20 years and they tell you what you want to hear when you're actually in the fight, not enough gasoline or food for your soldiers and are getting slaughtered by Ukrainians they told you to take two days your furious right for generals within the standard dead aim at the pictures and as I kiss I jump the traces I cannot. It's very unusual have a general, the susceptible but a lot of times they're forced to go to the front lines to find out what the problem is shown exactly what to do and they getting killed like the British in the 1770s.

I want you to hear talk about courageous is Marina Ostia, Ostia Cova the telephone for me not for you and I got a history in Russia. This is that journalist that stood up with the picture that sign. She did an interview with CNN which means she's out the silence. I don't believe that you don't believe what you're hearing about the war.

26 ordinary Russian woman who worked for state television. You have two children made you do this you decide to do it now. I decide to do it spontaneously, but Sam was brewing for quite a long time. Lately I have been feeling cognitive dissent on law between my beliefs and what we say on that too is a growing sense of difference function kept increasing and the wall was the point of no return when it was simply impossible to stay silent and I realized that I either need to do something or we will reach a point at a point of no return and they told me more and more difficult to do anything you put a perspective see them much guts it took to say to go do what you did in the fact that she's out. Does it surprise you. It surprises me that she's out. It surprises me that she's breathing you get the moments in these upheavals where people lose their fear and they don't care what happens to them and it's amazing to see a lot of people have left state media. But there's two points here that I would get at one is state media is incredibly effective if you control the TV station you can brainwash a lot of people, especially older people just don't see the war or who see it as an attack by NATO in the West try to bring down Russia. A lot of people believe that everything here is by this woman's behavior you got to remember that there's prudent and then there's the Russian people and there's a lot of Russian people were just being dragged along by this government and a lot willing to stand up against it. Despite the risk and with Ukraine so close and some relationship so real between these two nations as let me know because they are.

I'm wondering how long they can successfully lock up Facebook lock up the TV networks and really expect the truth not to get out. I understand there's a bunch organizations.texting individuals in Russia trying to flood the zone.

I think Instagram might still be up with the words would think it would they say is the truth and the war we could that be one thing to live very been they say arrests of between 14 and 17,000 and this post get 10 years in prison for for protesting the government is still angry is idle thoughts even where you think the Russian would how much power the Russian people could have in this you know I think there's a bright light from all this evil and slaughter in the bright light is a dictator in charge for 20 years, terrorized the world with aspirations to terrorize more of it is going to be brought down by his own arrogance that your prediction yes Steve Harrigan thanks much. Glad you're okay. Do you plan to go back yeah I think it's going to last a while I think I go back I would really like to Russia and watch that guy slowly be taken down by the Russian people to be happy to see you but Steve Harrigan. Thanks so much Fox News contests network subscribe and listen to the Tri-County federal prosecutor and four term US Congressman from South Carolina brings you a one-of-a-kind pungent subscriber list.com