After Hours with Amy Lawrence PODCAST: Hour 4

Comic relief is all about it and he does it mean to maybe sometimes he means you got that twinkle in his diary now and then. Or he actually will smile, but for the most part that's is Mike Tomlin. He is the best. I asked former player of his soul former sealer if he was always like that. He said absolutely.

He's the same in front of the microphone as he is behind closed doors. He does may use a few more of the choice words that you can't say in front of her microphone will do this to doing the room would like to eat chicken wings that is that they do that but we do enjoy the fact that Mike Tomlin eats chicken wings. That's Malika Willis the rookie quarterback for the Tennessee Titans.

Have you noticed how that has died down.

By the way, no one's calling from a leak will start for the type of wedding changes pretty much everything in prose boards right after hours with Amy Lawrence on CBS sports radio. There is so much to unpack for Monday night football between the Raiders and Chiefs to wrap week five. We've got divine day. We've got Travis Kelsey both showing off and on the games biggest stage. The brightest lights Vegas losing add-in choking away of the were choking, coughing up phlegm coughing up a threescore lead we got a roughing the passer penalty, sniff, sniff, and we got going for two when you're down by one and you can use an extra point to tie all of these are elements the became talking points on Monday night football you want to die then, but were asking you actually is is is for real.

If you're on the NFL competition committee or they come to you for your expertise may be really impressed them with your tweets. They come to you with your expertise and ask you, how would you define roughing the passer. That's we want to know so find us on Twitter a lot radio is my twitter after hours. CBS is our show Twitter while you're there, you can vote for TD of the week. We got some pretty impressive candidates actually had to leave out a bunch of candidates, including a go-ahead touchdown.

The final three minute and then you can use our Facebook page utilizing to your hearts content after hours with Amy Lawrence on Facebook coming up in will call it 17 minutes if I'm on time for special guests from our Charlotte affiliate who I distinctly remember and I'm not ripping on him I'm I'm glad he was happy the type I distinctly remember what Kitty when the Panthers picked up Baker Mayfield and it's all gone so horribly wrong to the point where Matt rule just got fired on Monday so I bought it only fair to bring him back and asked for his perspective. Now it's not been that long but pretty much everything is changed the wedding in Charlotte were live from the rocket mortgage Studios you need to know what it takes for a home to fit your budget and your family. Rocket can. Let's dive right in. Shall we escape to the good stuff.

The Raiders jumped out to a 17 point lead.

No, seriously, it was 17 to nothing in arrowhead Stadium are to do 17 to nothing against the Chiefs middle of the second quarter of Monday night football and how this happens.

Somehow it's open like it's open over and over again.

He speaks a threat, it is Chelsea touchdown reception will route by Joseph how he gets open. He does go to Steph Curry at moving without the ball to know what makes Tim Curry so freaking dangerous.

In addition to the fact that he's dead I with his shot is that he's constantly moving it's so hard to keep track of them. He exalts the players but also indicates how good the conditioning is for him for Travis Kelsey who knows his quarterback. He does the dirty work he actually likes the physical contact event to locate you if you get anywhere near him. He loves to deliver those to farms and he runs precise routes. He also knows how to get open when the defender seemingly has him covered. It's amazing to watch him work at his craft. So the first touchdown for Travis Kelsey remember the name gets the cheese on the board that's been told to us on Chiefs radio and then there is this a moment late in the first half that accident.

It was, not the intent. But this moment that sparked the Chiefs and yet it actually went against them. Just one of those quirky things about life. Jones was sent to the loss of no Bruce Jones may be pulling as well as a fun subject: Pro football officials called for one year planning on top of it's all about safety. 107, the boy in the first really all about that noise you hear from the phase arrowhead continued continued our but it's part the teeth unintentionally indirectly sparked the Chiefs.

Maybe it was the support from the crowd.

Maybe it was the fact that they were so indignant you go back and you watch the video Chris Jones actually did attempt to brace himself from landing directly on Derek car and not just that his right arm so he told her the football away from Derek car.

He cradled it like back in his right elbow and with his left arm will guide 325 pounds with his left elbow. He's athletic enough to brace himself from falling directly onto Derek car only to the play about 3000 times overnight here on bold network and other network that I got.

Studio just really quickly here because Jean's territory was a guest of the Westwood One post game show with Kurt Warner and Kevin Hartline that you just heard making a call. They brought them on board because they wanted him to react and not just this Chris Jones moment but also the Grady Jared flag member. The Falcons late thought they'd stop Tom Brady and the Buccaneers are working to get the ball back in their game in Tampa and instead Grady Jared was called for roughing the passer because the officials that they belong or he flung Tom Brady to the ground. So here's Jean's territory's assessment yesterday with book with Brady in the in the Atlanta game.

Just as in a roughing the passer call and tonight I thought that was kind of a two layer with the play we had with Jones tonight where I actually believe he has possession of the football before the players get to the ground. So in that case, looking at a body weight or what may have taken call suffers to the to that call to be was a little perplexing because I think we have a change of possession prior to actually the body slammed the 10,000 foot area look were in the week five teams of you know everybody's got their football legs under them. Now the officials need to get get up to that same pace. At this point. In other words, the players, the coaches, they're all getting into midseason form.

The officials have to do that as well. There's no more margin for error here and I get that roughing the passer calls are objective which means are going to vary from game to game a week to week, but we need more consistency and also we do not need our quarterbacks in bubble wrap the number of QB that all offensive players who are weighing in last night, including Kurt Warner about how that the playing field been slanted so much what Elder deepens a player supposed to do as lessor asking you how would you define roughing the passer. It's really obvious the novellas over correcting and overreacting to what happened with two and I'm not saying he is an important and is held is unimportant, only that not every time that a defensive player sacked the quarterback. Is there going to be a concussion. Not every time is a roughing the passer. I will hear from Chris Jones a little bit later on it after hours with Amy Lawrence on CBS sports radio so the noise in arrowhead Stadium was so loud that I heard got Kurt with Kurt babies. Kevin sent you can. Here's all thinking here the open-air pressbox and that noise continued and yes it did in fact spark Travis Kelsey, the cheese in the third quarter so you don't so sprinting up shoulder to start touchdown for this. The first special room start off a little slow: or where you got not only as part of that entire state for correct nobody you know you can see doubt in anybody's eyes would do was just no almost build beast that is made us can't grow together some sort of the wagons in a way and just and fight for children know you see that out of us permits arm know the place before bone Travis Kelsey said that roughing the passer call sparks them and he wasn't done yet for touchdown.

The fourth touchdown catch later in the game so Travis Kelsey seven receptions for 25 yards.

That's it yards before them were for touchdown. Now Dottie Adams had an incredible game as well.

He hauled in two touchdowns both deep shots.

Derek car you can see that he and Abbate have been doing this forever and really enjoy playing together but their connection predates Las Vegas obviously so he has another huge touchdown of 48 yarder and when he dies, it brings the Raiders within a point with about 4 1/2 minutes to go in the fourth quarter.

So now Josh McDaniels makes the move instead of going for the extra point to tie. Now keep in mother's board had been the flats were not talking about 30 seconds, although 13 seconds is enough of the Chiefs. Sorry that you soon with that. I try not bring that up.

It can be too sick to go and he decided there going to try for the two-point conversion, instead of gold for the extra point to tie the cheese at 34 looks like I've been told it's on teeth radio and certainly the way Josh to get that running old game they had really not had much success stopping him but to be able to stand up on the goal line again.

I love the fans behind them. I love the physical toughness and the fact that their backs were against the wall.

Both figuratively and in that case, literally backs up against the goal line so they're able to stop Josh Jacobs from getting in 30 to 29 the boy that I don't get it. There's going to have been is to play when I talked about the final 15 seconds. There they get the ball back after the fourth, the chief, the Pind they're moving the ball moving the ball and now I've got another fourth and one in which they decide the path the ball presses overthrown is incomplete when looking for flags soon so to preserve right so the goal lied what they're trying to put it in on the two-point conversion that that's doesn't work when is Mitchell does point out the ball on fourth and wanted me to feel we go back to Josh Jacobs. There hundred and 54 yards rushing relate the Chiefs were struggling to figure him out whenever they would try to stack the boxes.car would pass over the top.

Anyway, the part that sucks so bad for the raters is that Abbate and Hunter Renfro ran into each other and fell down. I'm surprised that with a roughing the passer penalty for unnecessary roughness or whatever ultimate call and so the way this game ended.

It adds the insult to injury, they'd already coughed up a 17 point lead.

And then that toughening I don't think it could have been more embarrassing, so little bit later volunteer from Patrick Holmes as well as from Derek car as part of a QB news Josh McDaniels explaining why to go over to although I feel like we get the same answer all the time right. I believe in our offense and the love the move.

I mean yeah I guess you like the confidence but to play that's that's weird to me. All right straightahead work and had to Charlotte, it's gone so horribly wrong since July when painters fans were thrilled about getting Baker Mayfield will get some reaction locally.

You can find me on twitter a lot radio. How would you define roughing the passer and also vote for TD of the week we got the doozy of the candidate know we got that didn't sound right. We got doozies just wanted to get fancy our Facebook page to its after hours with Amy Lawrence CBS sports radio you are listening to the after-hours podcast so you we we have is going to think that there has been progress some sort, just all you the money after-hours time to talk football with me. Lawrence papers owner David Tapper explaining that they got to get over the hump and when asked what that means. He said it's winning. It's winning more winning than losing.

We haven't seen that with the Panthers lately. However, his decision to fire Matt rules certainly being hotly debated. Before that, Emmanuel Mosley, who is now actually out for the season with a torn ACL, but did take a pick six Baker Mayfield as part of the Niners victory in Charlotte on Sunday.

It's after hours with Amy Lawrence on CBS sports radio. When we spoke to our guests. The last time he was on the show.

Chris McLean, who is hosting the Mac attack on our Charlotte affiliate WF NZ.

It's not a 2.7 or AM 610, we spoke to him in July was right after the Panthers had treated for Baker Mayfield and Chris I'm sure you remember that you are giddy and that I'm not bringing this up to try to embarrass you anything like that, only that I can imagine your emotions have changed a lot. So what is your reaction to what transpired over the last few months and now I see why I'm back on the job that you want to back it up with you to break up the old audio way can I tell you something. We didn't think about it we decided not to. Of course I has waned here and by the way, the player Baker Mayfield someone I thought was going to be a serious upgrade from Sam to Arnold is a huge reason why were here. I mean I think you can make a strong case is performance has been worse than sampling last year, which is really saying something. You could probably argue it's been the worst quarterback play since cam was healthy all the way back in the early part of 2018 so that that's a big part of it. There's no doubt about that but yeah I mean the weird thing is I guess the firing which was very popular here in Carolina because fans go back to last year and I honestly thought the end of last year I was with Bob, who probably should've been made.

David Tapper wanted to stick it out. This is the first fire that coach that goes. Amy probably wanted to see it through. Give him every chance he could but this season really feels like a carryover of last year and we did have enthusiasm as you point out I did when brought will broaden Baker the offense of line I think is improved. I think that was partly enthusiasm the coaching staff and change some of them worked out, then back into has really struggled as offense of coordinator here so that one has worked out the way we hoped, but I feel like I feel you have that happen, it just felt like this was inevitable. So maybe do it now. Don't play out the string and honestly format rule on being to be working at $4 million is owed.

But if you want to start looking for college jobs which as you know are already so Marty opened up just get a head start on that didn't work with Matt will personal quarterback position has to be one of the first things we talk about amine and use data from the outside. Amy, I mean first Teddy Bridgewater brought in here only in hindsight, they got rid of Teddy so quickly that actually go to coach Ruland and David Deborah both took shots at him and press conferences. It was really weird way they treated them and they sent him back in.

But, honestly, was about one of the allotment ruler, but since then they've just swung the fences with Matthew Stafford and Shawn McVeigh and staffer get together the hot tub in Cabo and the rest is history writing for him.

You went by the wayside and then the baby cried for Chava to move that didn't work out, and in the meantime, it's just been left below. Would you have been as excited if they had brought anger problem because apparently that was also in the works outside of his shoulder issue that pursued off and Baker. I mean, obviously, after watching the two guys play on Sunday here in Charlotte. I would rather have Jimmy Jeter also was the money that me she was old you know I'm was a factor. They were part of the Baker money down where they only had to pay about $5 million by going out to lunch but Baker's wife right now, now you work order PGY. Amy is a long way of saying the quarterback position has been the biggest problem the medical care they have got it right and people out there that are thinkable while you hold that against the coach. Are you talking about this earlier them away in here to the station, like he was given as weird as it sounds. Now I think about it. He was given, straight from college.

Having only been an assistant for one year in the NFL. He was given $9 million a year. Made to fit the highest paid coach in the NFL and given final personnel say so. He was a passenger.

He was out there is Bill Parcells. He was shopping for groceries. I think that guilt as we pointed out it doesn't work with very many coaches. It's something that Bill Bella text done. But really, how many others have been successful. We know Pete Carroll has a lot of input. He's earned that listener point out to me Sean Payton.

He had a lot input New Orleans. But yeah, generally, especially when you're talking about coaches who lack experience. It's a fine line to walk is after hours here on CBS sports radio Chris McLean with us from our Charlotte affiliate in the wake of Matt rules firing what you think about the firesale concept because I wouldn't be taken aback by that, especially when you're talking about Kaiser Christian McCaffery yet another storyline we talk about tomorrow, for today talking about you which players are or generate the most calls.

There was one from Jonathan Jones of CBS that that brought up calls are coming in about McCaffery and Burns out of Brewer had one from SI talking about Burns and BJ Moore, BJ more to me, young players and premium editions pass rusher in a wide receiver. I want nothing to do with that quite honestly the position where it's hard to get premium talent and we actually do have premiums out there. McCaffery want as much as I love CMC McCaffery one is the one that I would explore if price is right because he has had this injury history.

You know how to deal goes with running back again that big second contract and they often will have injuries throughout the contract. That second contract he's dealt with those others also yield three more years is under contract 36 total million dollars. So McCaffery and I don't think it's a premium position. I don't think honestly it seems is I don't like how many have we lost on the games, years in Rotary loss CMC on the roster. I generally running back in this day and age is one of those positions that necessarily is the most important, you win because of so that one. I would look into. Honestly Robbie Anderson is another name out there that I think has been a disappointment since his first year here.

You only get back to the field when the court get to the ball. That's also a direct correlation there, that's true. We can't throw one set about Tom Brady.

I don't mean to bring up what I did not go down the divorce court.

Amy just felt that you can't brought up ABOUT same time on the roster that you would say is off limits.

Brian Burns definitely addresses in the league is no way I would do that one DJ Moore. They gave him a new contract were burned first contract still get more new contract. I wouldn't do that is lack of production this year is complete because what you just said you can't catch a ball and sailing.

You know, Poppy, why don't you know will pass and prone to you when you're open. That's what going on with DJ Moore. I would want to trade Jeremy channel defense. JC worn corner defense Derek Brown. I'm not really young defense of court and have to amoral the ones that I would be protected. Still, I feel bad for actually feel bad for us that we are getting this is the same as that corral take taken over already at quarterback if they thought he was even remotely prepared. I was injured but man I mean the problem is Chris that they probably would've been able to see what he was capable of, and see how much they could teach him and train him this year, even if they didn't like him and just let both Sam and Baker walk because they're in the final years of their deals and that way you could start fresh with Matt and when injuries happen. We all got a man lost your Brenneman right it really does suck at it when you start thinking about what could be our future.

I don't want to act like I'm one of these crazies that looks at mock draft early in our mark dressed very early and now are number one in the draft. A lot of people do coach like Amy. This is supposed to be a great quarterback draft right according to the experts and if the panthers are drafting really high.

I mean, I'm sorry Matt corral but it's like how do you turn down the chance to get someone like you know I almost can't miss franchise quarterback compared with the round guy that has a lot of ways to go. Okay, so then let's talk about the coaching position, not necessarily Chris but what what do the panthers need. What should they be looking for in a coach. We got a lot of fanfare that would love to see David throw money at our former arch enemy Sean Payton. The problem with that is the same body that hires them as you know, have to be compensated for graphic, so in the same time.

Sure want him going in the division of the son of the moon.

I would think me at all offensive mind though like you will get a guy like Brian Dave. All of what he's doing. Like McDaniel before all quarterback injuries in Miami, you look for these young guys that are coordinators and are creative and young teenage especially if it's going to be back corral report from quarterback if you want not want to groom a young quarterback. I would love to have a schematic mind that can work with the quarterback from day one that's one of the things that I think you'll be ruler Amy is that they went shopping for quarterback leftovers, you know, instead of just drafting and grooming someone early, letting them grow with the Richie's, so Chris, this is this is something that's it's you think about and and it's hard to cut out like your brain around it because we see was available with that kind of thing. But if you're talking about guy who has the technical side for quarterback specifically, anything don't draft accumulation say they don't think in the same cycle again, like who who else would they even think about in the league that they could get a great question and one I don't that's one thing to me is the perfect time. Now do what you didn't do the last regime and the role regime go out there and you see Amy new coach comes in drafting fairly high) is replacing a coach and they take that opportunity to draft the QB and the coach of the QB are cuddling together. That's what happened here with cam Newton Ron Rivera right in Ron's first draft. You know the number one overall we stunk and they go out to get cam and Ronnie can grow together and it is by far the best years that we ever had here in Carolina. So to me it would be the perfect timing to do that. There's no doubt about just any Cooper Rush might be available. Amy we have is you cannot throw name out there. We haven't talked about work and I wonder if you got better as I have one more offer to make as a Broncos I'm willing to pay you to take Russell Wilson during our last conversation I would like a deal. I'm not sure that's a fairly limited is limited and were going on there.

I feel your quarterback Peyton just so you don't think I'm laughing at you. I'm laughing so I don't cry because I feel your quarterback pain and segmenting normal throwing off all for today.

Miller on Miller freaking amazing that's true I can follow Chris McLean on Twitter at Mac WF NZ that's our Charlotte affiliates and he's got a lot to do a lot to talk about top of the hour.

Close the Mac attack.

This is all in good fun. Chris you know that I would never want you to feel bad about it all joy here is the last time I was on I completely sounded ridiculous and think about what girl you're a man could hold up to the fact that he was wrong about that. I get a lot of experience.

I have a lot of good stuff Chris, great to talk to you. We'll talk again soon it's going to the court eventually right it has to. I'm asking that question is a yes long time Broncos fan keep saying that to myself but also for the panthers it's the right leadership and of course the quarterback in both those remain? You can find me on Twitter a lot radio also on our Facebook page, and operated jam is in QB news because there's more you mentioned Ron Rivero Boise have at a time with quarterbacks as well. Washington you are listening to the after-hours podcast one wellness check to running back to center on third and one and a place for us after-hours with the Lawrence player of the week is sponsored by the Navy Federal credit Union who proudly serve the Armed Forces, DOD veterans and their family members are the mission. Learn more@navyfederal.com it was a statement by the Cowboys defense to start out the game very 1st Dr., Matthew Stafford get sacked. The bubble is scooped up by Tague Lawrence and goes 19 yards for a touchdown as he here with Brad Shan on Cowboys radio and for that reason, we should split it out with Micah Parsons reason will give DeMarcus Lawrence, our defensive player of the week on her. Really, it was the defense of the Cowboys that set the tone as it has been one of the best defense is one of the stingy's defenses in the league Dallas with five sacks 11 quarterback hit the Matthew Stafford battered and bruised on Sunday. Also three takeaways to make life a lot easier for Cooper Rush and the Cowboys have now won four games in a row money really is what we were all hoping we would see from the west, with all of their off-season move Broncos didn't get the memo. Kelsey is playing with Dr. Malone. We have the potential for fireworks and life that it was touchdown for the tight end and a big comeback for the often that it was 1/4 was not a nausea like setting catches for touchdowns.

They had a good game plan of thought of that old New England want to scrimmage double covering stuff like that respondent makes big plays happen, we need to see out of all things. The raters were actually up 17.

Nothing in this game midway through the second quarter, but Kelsey said I get to be a beast anyway the way and certainly all chiefs have been the situation before you just don't know how to respond when we have a lot of samplers of innocent deaths against the same time when one new guy as well and so far does the respondent just to keep battling 17 points and then show them we can find anything that's what you want to see out of any principle to keep pace with the bills and the sea. Now it I sorry for NY and those two teams. The next week. Come on NFL. How did you know that the category you can't make this stuff up. Also, I got a tweet saying by the way, 13 seconds to soon.

Let's wait till next Monday. I got it after hours with Amy Lawrence here on CBS sports radio for the raters they had that moment with about four minutes to go where instead of taking the point after to tie yes Daniel Carlton would've made the. Instead they go for two and Josh Jacobson stopped at the line all photo from my point of the question is hard to get the ball back for one to turn those catch as catch you in the fillable range and when the back is no chance we don't know will make it happen. Okay, the late stages. How about the fact that you had a 17 point lead and cough it up. In fact, the second time this year for the raters and had a 17 point lead and failed to protect it. Now they fall to one and four cents with long brothers to proportionately have a good thing about some things that are as good as this one, and were doing the right things just more pleasant to the charger same division Brandon Staley choosing to go so taking a gamble, not taking the paper play with the play to make more common sense against the Browns late stages, go for it on fourth and one punching the ball away getting around extremely short feel when I don't come up with Brandon Staley on the Jim Rome show on Monday often and I would like to map that we had you not competent that we would make it with them on a timeout that we would be no there on on our terms for over an hour.

Dr. go to go do it and we had a play call and I'll do the same thing again and you know I also know there's a lot to come to take full responsibility for all of it, but in Armonk that was to go be aggressive and when I came with his gangster quarterback every time read his daily talks about Justin Herbert. That's what I think are gangster quarterback gangster quarterback it's after hours with Amy Lawrence CBS sports radio feature is titled QB news, but he was also asked about Kenya balance tweet from home. WTF are we doing okay to stay off their social media, but it's obviously very tempting when you're away. You want to be part of the conversation. He says there their relationship is stronger than ever.

So will leave that Ron Rivero was asked about the main difference between the very challenging and competitive team into one team team at the bottom of the division with a single when the truth of sustained success building room for specific court chose the quarterbacks are better. How do you know it's about the struggle is numbers from yesterday was okay is numbers throughout the year.

There was a times very solid fortune dolls perform just as capable were chosen because we believe will be chosen because things are pointing towards got no buyers remorse for bringing Carson went in question say the Panthers now Baker Mayfield or how about the call with Matt Ryan even incredible quarterback, but maybe got a turnover problem right now and then there's the Niners who still have GVG even though Kyle Shanahan tries to get rid of them.

One more. This is from Mike McDaniel. He got an update on Teddy Bridgewater his backup quarterback who is in concussion protocol.

Teddy, yet he had no symptoms today is no symptoms yesterday, but per the rule change she's being treated as though he has acute concussion and so he's in the subsequent quote protocol. I mean the self-control that it requires for Mike McDaniel shoot that toff and I get it I get the concussion symptoms can take a little while to manifest.

I get that injuries are scary, but this is a direct overreaction to how long you keep in concussion protocol when he got no symptoms and had any symptoms actually have a concussion to treat him the same way as to and by the way, the NFL PA and the NFL investigation cleared the Dolphins and the independent doctors of any wrongdoing they change their protocols. They say that now, if there's any kind of wobbly nets or unsteadiness. A quarterback is out the rest of the way back because somebody saw him wobble people just somebody in concussion protocol seemed fair either.

I will pick it up tonight watch those baseball games will talk about it after hours CBS sports radio